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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host just got back into town

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there's been a change with a guest

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so instead of me canceling the show i

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decided i'm going to run a

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replay of dr george gaines that aired

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back in july of 2017

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if you didn't catch it you're going to

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want to catch his story this time now

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this was back before i was recording or

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running live streams with video so it's

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just audio but it's a great story a very

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interesting

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man and i'm sure you'll really uh like

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that a couple of things next week we

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have chris lato back on he's the uh

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retired f-16 pilot he's been working

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hard he's done a lot of things positive

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in the ufo field we're going to be

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talking to him about that the following

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week i'm going to be uh coming at you

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from james fox home and studio over in

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vermont you don't want to miss that one

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that should be a lot of fun and that

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will be on may 3rd so down in the show

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notes you'll see a link that i'm going

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to be on a show right after this one

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with the new york mufon eye detective

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chris deperno

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so that will also be in the audio feed

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on our podcast

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and speaking of audio feeds our blog is

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made into an audio blog every week and

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that's always on our uh podcast feed by

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charles lear and this week

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it's called a ufo creature encounter

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report from kufo japan

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it's about two seven-year-old boys back

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in 1975 they had quite an encounter very

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detailed uh so check that out uh well

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we're ready to go with dr george gaines

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i do want to thank everyone first of all

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for supporting the show i couldn't do it

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without you anyone can do that over at

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podcastufo.com you'll see the link for

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only two dollars or more you can help us

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out

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and we are ready to go with george

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gaines it's an incredible story i will

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be live in chat so um i will be

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interacting with you there and let's try

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our guest this evening is dr

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w george gaines he grew up in pensacola

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florida

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and uh he's lived and worked throughout

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the united states and europe

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and we're going to talk about a

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sighting had

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an encounter he had when he was very

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young and what followed after that

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and welcome to the show george

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well thanks martin i'm i'm pleased to be

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with you tonight thank you now you and i

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it's funny you and i talked on the phone

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about a whole nother subject and

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came clean and told you i did a show on

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ufos that's how our conversation started

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right yeah and uh so

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can you give a little bit of background

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and and also um your you know you've

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you've had a professional career and all

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that and you know it's interesting how

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um this encounter probably changed your

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way of thinking didn't it

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much of the story that i'll i'll tell

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tonight has been reconstructed over a

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i didn't know

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found out since then by doing research

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and follow-up so

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people might wonder well did you know

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this at the time and the answer is no of

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course i didn't know i was a 12 year old

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all i knew is what happened that night

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tried to follow this as best as i could

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and it's only in recent years that i was

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able to learn more about the sighting

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oh you actually learned more uh now is

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so this one why don't you go into the

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story how the whole encounter

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began in the whole situation

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uh pensacola uh at the time and still is

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the cradle of naval aviation

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also an instructor and then he ended up

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heavy bombers uh in world war ii out of

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roswell incident was first publicized i

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remember how excited my mother got about

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aircraft flying at night uh george hang

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on just a second there can we sure

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a lot about people talking about roswell

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that a little bit um you you know i i

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understand that you know the news went

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then it was you know the weather the

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balloon the next day and then nobody

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but did you remember that um in your

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my early childhood um it's it's not the

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the blur that some people have but

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have have some very clear memories uh i

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remember when world war ii ended and i

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and and but but i remember the roswell

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incident being in the paper

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then when they came up with the uh

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debunking story

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i guess i always believed it was just a

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cover-up by by the government to uh

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that i was certainly receptive and

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anything but a skeptic but i was not a

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child that was subject to wild

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imaginations uh i was very scientific in

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cold-blooded objective observer

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the the way this happened was um it was

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a hot it was a hot summer night and uh i

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had a little girlfriend that lived down

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pensacola in 1956 that was about the

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most exciting thing for for kids to do

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was to go out to the airport and wait

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for the occasional aircraft to land

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because then you could see them come up

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and you could feel the prop wash and all

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that and see the people getting off and

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people getting on it was a very exciting

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we went out to the airport and i

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remember that her mother and father were

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not particularly interested in hanging

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around with us they were in the coffee

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shop there uh having

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i guess coffee and pie or whatever they

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my little girlfriend and i went out to

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the fence and the fence was

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you know this is not like a an airport

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today i mean it's just a a chain link

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and you could i can remember you know

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putting my fingers on it and you know

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holding on to the fence and kind of

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leaning back and forth and so we were

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just looking for aircraft to to come in

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as it turned out um my girlfriend was a

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year older than me she was 13

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she had to wear glasses for distance

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that you know i might try to kiss her

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well that that was so far from my mind

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as a 12 year old i mean i just wasn't

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about to do anything like that but but

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she didn't you know with being you know

284
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a young lady she was slightly vain and

285
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wanted to appear very very attractive

286
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which she was

287
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and still is and and so

288
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we were looking at the fence and looking

289
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up at the moon which was

290
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not a crescent moon but it wasn't a

291
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quarter moon either it was somewhere in

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in between

293
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and there were some stars that were very

294
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very close to the moon and i i commented

295
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to her i said look at look at those

296
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stars they're right next to the moon

297
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and so we looked at them for a while and

298
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she said yeah yeah i see him and and in

299
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fact she really didn't see anything

300
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so my my one witness was was uh

301
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worthless

302
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and and so i noticed that one of the

303
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stars seemed to be getting

304
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bigger and bigger i said wow i said look

305
00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:26,720
at that that's that could be an airplane

306
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coming in

307
00:13:33,509 --> 00:13:30,320
and but but it was stationary it just

308
00:13:34,710 --> 00:13:33,519
never moved never moved it got bigger

309
00:13:37,829 --> 00:13:34,720
and bigger

310
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and all of a sudden it got so big that

311
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it divided into two

312
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what appeared to be stars i said holy

313
00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:45,760
smokes look at that there are two of

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them

315
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and and so they they remained stationary

316
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for at least five or six minutes

317
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without moving but they

318
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one became two

319
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and then i thought i said i believe

320
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they're moving to the south because we

321
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were looking eastward

322
00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:06,800
and uh i said yes yes look they're

323
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they're both moving together and then

324
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then they began to move apart where one

325
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went

326
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up and the other remains stationary more

327
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or less flying along the horizon

328
00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:21,120
and so this this really got my juices

329
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going because

330
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i'd never seen anything quite like this

331
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and then the one on top

332
00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:31,360
accelerated rapidly and then took off

333
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straight up

334
00:14:37,430 --> 00:14:35,199
just like it was shot out of a cannon

335
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and i i never seen

336
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any aircraft do anything like that

337
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:43,600
and i was just stunned to see it and

338
00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:46,480
then the second one the lower one kept

339
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moving straight along the horizon to

340
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toward the south toward the gulf of

341
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mexico and then it took off at the same

342
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rate of speed and just it was just a

343
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blur i mean it wasn't even fast it just

344
00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:04,959
just streaked up and was gone

345
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so that was the signing

346
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:08,880
and

347
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all i can say is that um on the way home

348
00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:14,880
you know we told her parents what we had

349
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:17,120
seen and they seemed very interested and

350
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believed just because they knew i was

351
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not the kind

352
00:15:23,269 --> 00:15:22,079
of young man who who made up silly

353
00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:23,279
stories

354
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and um

355
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:27,199
but when i got home i told my mother

356
00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:29,839
about it and um

357
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:32,480
you know it just was uh

358
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:34,639
she said well well make sure you write

359
00:15:39,910 --> 00:15:37,440
down everything so you'll remember it

360
00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:39,920
and and so i did and and i was in my

361
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:43,040
room making notes and writing it out and

362
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:44,480
i was so

363
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:47,040
frightened by what i saw

364
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um it wasn't

365
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:50,399
i mean there was the initial

366
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exhilaration

367
00:15:56,069 --> 00:15:54,480
but upon reflection i realized that i

368
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:56,079
had seen something

369
00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,680
that was

370
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absolutely

371
00:16:03,189 --> 00:15:59,920
uh

372
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:03,199
mind-blowing and i was i was afraid

373
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:05,120
i i don't know what i was afraid of i

374
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:07,120
guess i was afraid that

375
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:09,839
maybe they saw me and knew that i saw

376
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:12,240
them and and that

377
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:14,720
they they somehow i had a feeling that

378
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,320
they must have known that i saw this

379
00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:19,920
and and so

380
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:20,800
um

381
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i made detailed notes uh on everything

382
00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:26,880
and as a as a young scientist

383
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:28,480
later when i was in high school i won

384
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:32,000
the science fair uh as a sophomore so

385
00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:33,839
that gives you an idea of the kind of

386
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:37,279
notes that i was making even at 12 years

387
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:39,920
of age so i made very very detailed

388
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,880
notes

389
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:43,040
and so the next day i told my mother i

390
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:44,720
said mother i said

391
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:47,600
i'm going to write a report and and send

392
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,240
it to the air force and she says oh no

393
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:53,040
no you you don't want to do that i said

394
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:55,920
why why not she says oh no she said that

395
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:57,759
that would just create problems you

396
00:17:01,749 --> 00:17:00,240
don't want to do that don't do that

397
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:01,759
so

398
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:04,640
i went ahead and i wrote up a letter and

399
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:05,600
i

400
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:40,000
now

401
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,000
less than a week later

402
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:43,919
it was a saturday morning

403
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:46,160
the phone rings

404
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:49,120
and so my job at the house since my

405
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,799
parents were divorced so i lived with my

406
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:53,360
mother and my grandmother

407
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:56,080
and and and so my job as the man of the

408
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,480
house was to always answer the phone

409
00:18:01,350 --> 00:18:00,559
which i did

410
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:01,360
and

411
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:04,640
a man on the other end said um

412
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:06,880
may i speak to george gaines

413
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:08,559
and i said this is he

414
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:09,679
he said

415
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,840
is this the same george that

416
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:13,280
lives at

417
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:15,039
such and such an address

418
00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:16,720
i said yes it is

419
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,039
and he says is this the same george who

420
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:21,280
sent a report to the air force a few

421
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,320
days ago about what you had seen

422
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:26,559
and i took a deep breath

423
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:29,520
and said uh yes it is

424
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:33,200
and he says well great he said george um

425
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:35,120
but what are you doing this morning i

426
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:38,160
said and so i immediately said oh um

427
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:39,760
well um

428
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,080
i'm i'm going i'm going out i'm going to

429
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:44,320
the pool to swim because i i was a

430
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,000
collegiate swimmer and high school

431
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,720
swimmer and so i was

432
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:50,720
you know we're going to go to practice

433
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:53,679
and i said i'm going to swim practice

434
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:57,760
and he said george he said you just sit

435
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:58,720
tight

436
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:01,200
we'll be right over

437
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:04,720
and i remember those words so clearly

438
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:07,840
george you just sit tight

439
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:10,960
we'll be right over it didn't say can we

440
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:13,600
come by how do you do or anything we're

441
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,520
coming over so

442
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:17,679
i realized then that

443
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:20,400
i was in a jam and i had to explain to

444
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:22,720
my mother very quickly what had happened

445
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:25,120
i said mother mother i said she said who

446
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,039
was that i said oh it was a nice man um

447
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,280
you remember the uh i said i was

448
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,039
thinking about submitting a report to

449
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,960
the air force she says you didn't i said

450
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,559
yes i did

451
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:39,039
and uh i said they're they're coming

452
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:41,520
over she says oh my god she says now

453
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:43,760
we're in trouble we're in trouble i mean

454
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,520
this is 1956 and you know

455
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,080
uh things were different then it was a

456
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:52,400
different world and so

457
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:54,880
you you didn't file reports or anything

458
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,480
unless you uh had good reason and and i

459
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,320
thought i had good reason

460
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:01,919
so

461
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,480
you know i told my grandmother and and

462
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:07,200
she says oh lordy she says uh

463
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,520
you're in trouble now i said well i you

464
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:11,760
know i i told i told the truth i didn't

465
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:14,159
make anything up it's all true it's all

466
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,280
true

467
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:18,080
and so while we were talking

468
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,039
i mean

469
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,200
this this couldn't have been more than

470
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:23,440
five minutes from when i hung up maybe

471
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,600
not that long my grandmother who used to

472
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:27,520
sit in the living room looking out the

473
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:30,559
window she says oh here they come

474
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:32,240
and so

475
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:34,159
my mother and i went to the door and she

476
00:20:40,350 --> 00:20:35,200
you know

477
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,070
1955 or 56. i couldn't tell the exact

478
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,120
model i always thought it was a 55

479
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,159
white cadillac

480
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,080
air conditioned

481
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,320
it was absolutely spotless and i

482
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:57,600
remember thinking why isn't it gray and

483
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,360
why doesn't it have

484
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:01,440
a military

485
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,799
uh stencils on it saying u.s air force

486
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,039
or u.s navy or something

487
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,679
but it was a civilian car but it was a

488
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,159
beautiful white cadillac

489
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,720
and it was air conditioned and that was

490
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:16,799
very unusual because we didn't have air

491
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,280
conditioning in our home in florida and

492
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,840
and i never knew anybody who had an

493
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,520
air-conditioned car

494
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:26,400
until uh in 1958

495
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,159
so this was this was quite a rare event

496
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,400
and then out of the car

497
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,039
come two air force officers men who were

498
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:37,760
dressed as air force officers who come

499
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,960
up and greet me and my mother on the

500
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,880
front porch

501
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,000
so

502
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,919
why don't i just take a quick pause and

503
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,120
and say

504
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,440
you know do you have any questions that

505
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,120
you want to ask me

506
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:53,039
at this point before we get into the

507
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:54,080
interview

508
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:55,520
uh

509
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,919
kind of gone over this

510
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,600
in our talk i think it was i don't know

511
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:04,240
maybe four or four or five months ago um

512
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,919
so it's almost like new coming at me um

513
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,480
but uh uh i couldn't remember the

514
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,559
encounter you know what what your

515
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,799
sighting was to begin with but just the

516
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,039
fact that um

517
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,360
uh they came to see you that quickly is

518
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,360
pretty pretty interesting

519
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,679
well yes uh

520
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,000
i mean i i didn't think think through it

521
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,520
very carefully at the time uh i was just

522
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,080
uh really scared that that they were

523
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,000
coming to talk to me because i didn't

524
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,159
know know what to expect

525
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,159
but the two the two gentlemen came in

526
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,600
and they showed my mother some

527
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,840
identification in addition to their

528
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,360
their uniforms

529
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,600
and she welcomed them and said please

530
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,960
please come in

531
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:49,440
they said well we we would like to

532
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,200
talk to george about what what he saw

533
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:54,799
and and so

534
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,480
the the two were it was a captain and

535
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:00,799
a lieutenant

536
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:04,320
and the the captain um did not have what

537
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:05,600
i would call

538
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,880
a military bearing he seemed to be

539
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,960
sweating a little bit

540
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,400
it was hot

541
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,840
and and so he unbuttoned his blouse when

542
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,159
he sat down and crossed his legs and

543
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,720
made himself very much at home he just

544
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,280
seemed very comfortable

545
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,679
and then the lieutenant

546
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,240
was just the opposite he was buttoned

547
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,320
down

548
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:31,919
he had on a

549
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:34,640
i think what you call

550
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:37,679
almost an eisenhower jacket as opposed

551
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,000
to the the captain with the blouse you

552
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,159
know it was uh very tight around the

553
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:45,039
waist and he had a you know tie on and

554
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:46,159
he had a

555
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,200
crew cut

556
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:50,559
dark hair with uh salt and pepper

557
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,919
uh the captain uh had had longer hair

558
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,240
and and just seemed more

559
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:58,400
he seemed more like a civilian dressed

560
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,520
up

561
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,600
in an air force uniform

562
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,960
um

563
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,640
and and so

564
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:06,159
they they began

565
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,080
the the questioning in the living room

566
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,799
and so the captain then asked the

567
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,000
lieutenant

568
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,400
to go out and you know once he we agreed

569
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,440
to do it

570
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,200
he sent the lieutenant out to the car

571
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:21,279
and he opened the trunk up and brought

572
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,279
all sorts of stuff in he brought in

573
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:27,520
charts that you know were

574
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,200
on like a movie screen with flip charts

575
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,840
he brought in a movie screen a movie

576
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,039
projector

577
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:37,840
and what i remember most vividly was a

578
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,360
reel to real woolen sack tape recorder

579
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,360
where everything

580
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:46,320
in the interview was being taped and

581
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:50,640
that thing just ran and ran and ran

582
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,200
so uh they began and i don't remember

583
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,320
all of what what was said or what was

584
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,600
asked but i do remember the the captain

585
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,000
or the uh the lieutenant standing up

586
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,279
like he was giving a military uh a

587
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:09,919
military briefing then he had a pointer

588
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:12,559
stick and he kept pointing you know to

589
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,919
uh these these charts of the sky and and

590
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:18,240
this and he was using a lot of technical

591
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,240
language like azimuth perigee apogee and

592
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,159
stuff that i really didn't was not

593
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,480
familiar with and the captain would

594
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,320
would kind of interpret for him he's

595
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:30,799
okay what what the lieutenant is saying

596
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,000
is is this now george uh tell me more

597
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,480
about how you you saw this and they of

598
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:38,799
course had had my report there which

599
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:41,600
they let me look at

600
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,279
um about that time i'd say probably an

601
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,400
hour into it uh my mother had gotten on

602
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,559
the phone and called

603
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,799
the parents of the young girl who was

604
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,840
with me

605
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:55,919
and this was it turned out to be a real

606
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:58,480
embarrassment for her because she had

607
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,440
nothing

608
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,880
to add

609
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:03,200
to it now she

610
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,440
she had made up um a report as well

611
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,279
of what she didn't see

612
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,159
and on that report she doodled and drew

613
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:15,520
a picture of of like an alien coming out

614
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,799
of a spaceship it was a cartoon like

615
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,880
and so when they came up there the

616
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,880
captain saw that and he just he just

617
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,320
grabbed it and took it out and ran he

618
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,120
said i'll take that

619
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,159
so

620
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,400
you know he had that she stayed around

621
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,360
for about 15 minutes and and listened

622
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,520
and and couldn't really add anything

623
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,919
because you didn't see anything and then

624
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,320
then they let asked her to to go ahead

625
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,120
you know she could go back home

626
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,600
so then they got out uh some films and

627
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:48,159
showed me films now these some of the

628
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:51,520
films i remember having seen before and

629
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:54,640
it was like you know lights and it was

630
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,960
daytime scenes of maybe four or five uh

631
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:01,440
lights flying together or what what

632
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,400
could be

633
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,559
interpreted as ufos and they kept asking

634
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,840
me is this what you saw you see

635
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,159
something like that i said well no no

636
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,559
mine mine weren't doing that it was just

637
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,360
two and you know i ca i really stuck to

638
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,640
my story because uh martin that that's

639
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,960
the only story i had and i didn't know

640
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,679
what else to do other than stick stick

641
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,520
to the story

642
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,520
now did so they were this is kind of

643
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,080
curious they were showing you films

644
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,440
yes they had films and um were there

645
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,559
some really good films too of some ufos

646
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:36,799
uh they were they were decent they were

647
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,960
decent um you know of stuff

648
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,120
some stuff i'd seen in in in books

649
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,720
before

650
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:47,679
or magazines that had been published

651
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,399
so

652
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,960
i kept thinking well i've seen all this

653
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,080
before

654
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,600
he said you ever seen this i said well

655
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,520
i've seen it i've seen something like

656
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,320
that in a magazine but some some i had

657
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,760
not seen

658
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,120
and

659
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,240
so after we got through with the movies

660
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,159
i guess it was around lunchtime well

661
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,640
these guys didn't stop for lunch

662
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,279
um and my mother and grandmother

663
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:13,520
particularly my grandmother kept she was

664
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,640
very nosy and kept walking into the room

665
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,559
and walking out of the room and in and

666
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,320
out like they she thought i was going to

667
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,799
be molested or something so finally they

668
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:24,880
told my mother they said look we we'd

669
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,240
like to question george now in private

670
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,679
do you have another place where we can

671
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,000
go and she said yeah we have a den

672
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:35,279
a small den we went in there and set up

673
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,200
shop and they closed and locked the door

674
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:41,440
to keep them out

675
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,159
so

676
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,799
the the interrogation you know and my

677
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,159
grandmother said well the poor child

678
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:48,080
hasn't eaten he said well

679
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:49,600
we'll we'll let him have something to

680
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,880
eat when we're finished you know so

681
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,080
uh

682
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:56,720
we went into the den and they had they

683
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,760
brought in

684
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,919
some scrapbooks what i call scrapbooks

685
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,919
they were i guess notebook big big

686
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:03,760
notebooks big ones

687
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,720
and so he says okay i'm gonna show you

688
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:09,760
some some pictures

689
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:12,559
and so these were you know pictures of

690
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,480
ufos photos photographs some sketches

691
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,960
and you know oh you know it looked like

692
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,720
this it looked like i said wow that's

693
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:22,159
pretty interesting there i said no it

694
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,600
didn't he said look like that no it

695
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:26,240
didn't look like that i'm telling you it

696
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,919
was just a light in the sky just a very

697
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,840
bright light in the sky and it was

698
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:32,799
moving

699
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,240
slow and then it moved really fast so it

700
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,200
went on and on and you know it went

701
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:41,840
through several of these uh

702
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,039
books

703
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,360
and finally there was another book there

704
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,360
and i figured once we get through the

705
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,960
last book

706
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:51,520
these guys will leave because i was

707
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:52,480
really

708
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,640
you know telling the same story over and

709
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:58,720
over again and then they would stop me

710
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:01,360
and say okay george let's go back tell

711
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,360
me from the very beginning what you saw

712
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,159
and so they must have had me repeat my

713
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:09,679
story

714
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,720
four or five times during this whole

715
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,240
episode do you think they were trying to

716
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,679
see if you would trip up a little or

717
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,880
something

718
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,880
yeah i think they they just you know

719
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,880
we're you know it's like the cops i mean

720
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,600
they're

721
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:23,760
trying to see you know as you tell the

722
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:27,600
same story over and over again and and

723
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,880
so finally then the captain began to

724
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:32,799
make suggestions

725
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,520
and um he said um now when the craft got

726
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,600
close

727
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,520
could you see any

728
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,120
portholes

729
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,960
i said

730
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,039
i don't know how close it got

731
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:49,520
but it wasn't close enough that i could

732
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,480
see any detail

733
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:54,000
he says okay

734
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,000
so when the craft uh got close

735
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,720
could you see anyone anybody looking out

736
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:02,960
of a porthole i said

737
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,320
i just said no it it didn't get that

738
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,760
close

739
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,279
and then you you know go on and then

740
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,440
he'd come back said now george when the

741
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:13,360
craft landed

742
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,480
um did did a door open i said the craft

743
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,760
didn't land i i wish it had

744
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,600
you know i wish i could say it did but

745
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,480
it didn't it just flew off and it flew

746
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,799
off at a very high rate of speed

747
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,600
so

748
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,240
you know he went through all this highly

749
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,120
suggestive questioning

750
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,760
and and finally and i said you know he's

751
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,080
got to show me this last book i said uh

752
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:40,640
are you going to show me what's in

753
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,080
the last scrapbook

754
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,080
he said well george you said you didn't

755
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:49,360
see anybody right i said right i i

756
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:50,799
didn't

757
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,080
uh he said well he says i'm

758
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,640
i'm not so sure you didn't

759
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:58,080
i said

760
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,200
i didn't

761
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,760
and he says well i'll show you what's in

762
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:03,519
here anyhow

763
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,320
and so when we went through this book

764
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,440
this book was filled with pictures and

765
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,840
sketches of aliens

766
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,760
all kinds i mean

767
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,000
ridiculous looking some i'd seen in

768
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,840
comic books i said i've seen that that's

769
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:19,679
an i've seen that in a comic book it's

770
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,200
okay next one and then then he showed me

771
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,440
a picture i remember it very very

772
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,039
distinctly because my eyes must have

773
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:30,720
just lit up like a cheap pinball machine

774
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,399
was an uh look like an alien laying on

775
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,679
an examining table

776
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,880
kind of like

777
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,799
i guess when when i saw the alien

778
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,320
autopsy

779
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:44,880
you know movie i said whoa that looks a

780
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,399
lot like what the captain showed me

781
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,399
i mean i was probably

782
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,120
40 or 50 years old when i saw that for

783
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,120
the first time and i said well i've seen

784
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:56,640
that before so

785
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,919
uh i asked him i said well is that real

786
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,919
and he looked at me and kind of smiled

787
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,519
he said does it look real to you i said

788
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:06,000
it looks real to me

789
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,039
is it

790
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,519
and he just he just wouldn't answer

791
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:11,120
and then then we got to the end of the

792
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,640
book and um he says okay george we're

793
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,679
done

794
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,000
thank you so much thank my mother and it

795
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,000
was about three o'clock three o'clock in

796
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:23,200
the afternoon and he and the lieutenant

797
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:30,230
now um

798
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,279
a lot of reconstruction has gone on

799
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,120
since then

800
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,830
the one thing that did what said it as

801
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:44,000
they were leaving my mother asked asked

802
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,360
the captain

803
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,240
did do you all investigate every

804
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,720
sighting from a 12 year old boy

805
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:52,799
you must be getting hundreds of these he

806
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,080
says ma'am he says we get thousands of

807
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,799
these reports he said but

808
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,799
you know you this report was very

809
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,120
interesting to us uh we wanted to talk

810
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,600
to george because he was very thorough

811
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,519
in his documentation we believe every

812
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,440
word he said

813
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,159
and to be honest we had we had some

814
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,839
corroborating uh information from

815
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,280
other sources

816
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,839
to corroborate the sighting so we wanted

817
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,320
to hear his story

818
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,159
and

819
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:26,320
he said the only thing i would ask you

820
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,200
is

821
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,639
i can't order you he said but i would

822
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,200
advise you strongly never to discuss

823
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,760
this with anyone

824
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,520
you know did i never talk

825
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:39,200
did he actually say this to you or was

826
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,560
that to your mother

827
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,280
it was to my mother but i heard it and

828
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,679
you know and it was spoken really to

829
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,480
both of us and so i never discussed it

830
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,879
until i was probably

831
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,879
in my late 40s

832
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,320
really wow

833
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,520
yeah i'm silent for

834
00:35:03,349 --> 00:34:59,119
over 30 years

835
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,359
before i said anything about it wow

836
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,200
and uh

837
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,359
one of the things we left out you're

838
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,280
probably going to bring it up is who one

839
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,680
of the gentlemen were

840
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,880
that's right

841
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,160
um

842
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,960
i didn't know who these guys were and

843
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:18,240
um

844
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:21,680
in in the the late night uh

845
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,920
in the late 19 now in the late 1980s

846
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,000
early 1990s

847
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,960
uh of course we had the uh famous

848
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,960
gulf breeze sightings in in the

849
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,520
pensacola area

850
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,960
and um

851
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,280
my oldest daughter uh

852
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,320
was very very interested in in this and

853
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,560
she became an active member

854
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:47,119
of uh the mufon chapter there in

855
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,480
pensacola

856
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,119
and she begged me to come to a meeting

857
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,640
and tell the story and i said beth i'm

858
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:54,800
not going to do it i'm just not going to

859
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:55,760
do it

860
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,480
and so finally it was at christmas time

861
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,240
and she said would you at least come to

862
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,560
the christmas party they're having a

863
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,880
nice christmas party so i went to the

864
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,640
party and it was really really a nice

865
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,040
affair a lot of people were there

866
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,040
and

867
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,359
one of the guys i knew um

868
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,000
asked me about it she said he said your

869
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,599
daughter told me something about the

870
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,880
sighting

871
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,079
i said yeah he said there are a couple

872
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,480
of air force guys here who would really

873
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,560
like to meet you and talk to you so

874
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,599
these guys uh were probably

875
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,680
20 years older than me i guess at the

876
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,000
time so they must have been

877
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,200
uh probably late 60s early 70s

878
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,440
and and so i learned a great deal about

879
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,520
them and i told them the story they said

880
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:40,880
well

881
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:43,920
number one eglin air force base had no

882
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,640
investigating authority these guys did

883
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,200
not come from from eglin

884
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,320
number two

885
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,560
they most likely came down from

886
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,440
wright-patterson air force base in ohio

887
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,040
because they were the primary

888
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,030
and number three they may not even have

889
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,680
been air force they may have been cia or

890
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,359
nsa

891
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,680
because a lot of

892
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:12,240
the investigators were wearing military

893
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,440
uniforms

894
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:15,520
during these investigations that that

895
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,560
went on in project blue book in in the

896
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:20,079
later years

897
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,200
so

898
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,520
all of that is partially true

899
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,800
because

900
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,200
i found out through the internet by

901
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:29,920
looking at pictures when i saw the

902
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:33,359
picture of captain edward rupault

903
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,880
who was the head of blue book until 1953

904
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,440
i said there he is

905
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:41,599
that's who that's who came to see me i

906
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:44,400
would i would know him anywhere

907
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:48,400
slightly pudgy chubby cheeks um

908
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:52,560
just uh just a charming individual to

909
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:55,599
talk talk to and and he must have been a

910
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,280
special guy because for for a captain uh

911
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,359
somebody with the rank of captain to

912
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,560
have that kind of authority uh he must

913
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,200
have been just a remarkable

914
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,920
uh officer i mean he had a distinguished

915
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,720
combat record in in korea and so forth

916
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,760
and

917
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:15,599
uh you know distinguished himself in

918
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,640
every way but but he he was evidently a

919
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:21,680
superb manager and that's why he was

920
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:24,960
given the blue book assignment now

921
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,040
he had retired in 1953

922
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:31,280
he was no longer in the air force he was

923
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,480
out

924
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:34,880
and he took a job as a consulting

925
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,720
engineer aeronautical engineer

926
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,040
with north american aviation out in

927
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,280
california and was living

928
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,880
in california at the time in 1956

929
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,240
so do you think they flew him all the

930
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,640
way to florida to talk to you

931
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:52,320
yes

932
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,440
amazing he um he collaborated with blue

933
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,240
book

934
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,359
after he left and i don't know how many

935
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,520
investigations he did

936
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:06,320
but now his book was first published in

937
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,320
august of 1956. so

938
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:13,520
he was already working on a revision

939
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,160
and you know he may have wanted this

940
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:18,400
material for his revision

941
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,280
uh

942
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,359
how he found out about the sighting i'm

943
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:23,760
sure that you know he was in regular

944
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,800
contact with the blue book staff the

945
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,680
lieutenant turned out to be a lieutenant

946
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,520
robert olson

947
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,079
i don't know if olson had retired or not

948
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,560
he was a little bit younger

949
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,000
but

950
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:40,320
i found his photograph on the internet

951
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,359
in

952
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,960
with with ruffled

953
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,240
and

954
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,000
they were there together looking at some

955
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:47,920
charts and i said whoa there's the

956
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,599
second guy i know him anywhere so

957
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,480
i only found out their identities uh

958
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,960
perhaps six months ago when i was doing

959
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,839
this research and i was thrilled to to

960
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,359
do this because

961
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,359
you know i always wondered who were

962
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:04,960
these guys

963
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:09,599
came to see me now maybe

964
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,119
maybe rupaul was in wright-patterson

965
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,599
on an assignment when something happened

966
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,000
when he got the report and decided to

967
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,280
fly down to pensacola

968
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,720
but they

969
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:24,640
they didn't drive over i mean they they

970
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,480
probably flew into nas pensacola and uh

971
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,640
got the rental car and from an admiral

972
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:32,160
or something and

973
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,760
uh came on out came on out to see me

974
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,760
but

975
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,000
captain rupault

976
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,480
had suffered a heart attack

977
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,880
earlier that year

978
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,680
and

979
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,800
um

980
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,400
i suspect that

981
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,000
to me he looked

982
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:52,079
he just looked uncomfortable like he was

983
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,760
sweating and and and he uh he never went

984
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,839
out to the car to bring anything in he

985
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:59,599
just stayed in a chair

986
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,480
the whole time and and olson went out

987
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,440
and and got everything and brought it in

988
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,880
of course he was the lower ranking

989
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,200
officer and and i guess that would

990
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,319
explain it but it seemed that he was um

991
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:14,079
a bit fatigued

992
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,599
and uh

993
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,720
then of course we we know tragically uh

994
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,760
captain ropelt died of a heart attack in

995
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,560
in 1960.

996
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,599
his wife lived out in california

997
00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:30,720
i believe she passed away

998
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,440
uh the late

999
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:35,920
1990s or right around 2000

1000
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,720
uh captain ropeld had a brother

1001
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:41,680
who lived in the sarasota area not far

1002
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,319
from me but he passed i believe in 2010.

1003
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,349
edward ruppelt

1004
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,640
was

1005
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,720
one heck of a fine

1006
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,400
officer

1007
00:42:03,990 --> 00:41:59,359
outstanding career

1008
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,000
raised in uh i believe in in nebraska

1009
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,480
or iowa somewhere in in the corn belt

1010
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:09,040
area and just

1011
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,480
was just uh

1012
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:13,280
an outstanding uh young man and

1013
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,750
you know when you read about him you

1014
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,680
can't help but admire him and and i

1015
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,280
certainly

1016
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,640
enjoyed my

1017
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:27,040
seven or eight hours of uh

1018
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:30,720
uh working with him on on this on this

1019
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:34,480
little project that i created

1020
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:37,920
he was a total gentleman

1021
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,440
and and and we developed uh really an

1022
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,440
excellent rapport

1023
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,160
during that during that time

1024
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,280
captain or lieutenant olsen

1025
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,599
was always in the background so i never

1026
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,240
had much of a chance to

1027
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,359
develop a relationship with him

1028
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,920
but but with ripple it was uh it was

1029
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:00,960
special

1030
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,760
and and like i said one the minute i saw

1031
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,079
his picture on the internet

1032
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,160
i i didn't know who it was that that's

1033
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,640
the guy there he is and then i did the

1034
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:13,119
background research on him

1035
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:20,550
is like one of the the uh according to

1036
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,760
alejandro

1037
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,040
rojas

1038
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,680
who was just on with the news

1039
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,839
he thinks it's the best book on ufo's

1040
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:29,599
ever written

1041
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:32,800
i i would say uh it certainly was uh he

1042
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,040
was amazingly forthcoming in the book

1043
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,359
i mean he

1044
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:42,000
he didn't it was not an effort to debunk

1045
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,440
at all

1046
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,240
it was a very open-minded objective look

1047
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,400
at it

1048
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,480
and he went into

1049
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,119
a great deal to report on on some of the

1050
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,800
investigations that they had done

1051
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,800
however

1052
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,440
the word got out

1053
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,720
through channels that the

1054
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:06,079
the government

1055
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,599
or the air force

1056
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,000
was not pleased with the book at first

1057
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,240
they you know said yeah yeah it's a very

1058
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,200
good book and all that but back channel

1059
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,839
information was delivered to rupaul that

1060
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,760
it was not

1061
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:21,760
something they were happy with and they

1062
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:25,200
wanted him to put out a revision

1063
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:29,119
and uh and so the revised edition came

1064
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:29,920
out

1065
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:33,920
later

1066
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:37,040
and in the revised edition uh

1067
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:37,920
he

1068
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,560
took a different view

1069
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,000
uh he

1070
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:47,510
it was just one section at the end where

1071
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,640
he just kind of said well it it's just

1072
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,880
all imagination

1073
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,430
then he died in in 60. now

1074
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,440
there's been you know stuff on the

1075
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,440
internet some people that knew him and

1076
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,680
lived there said that one

1077
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,359
one woman

1078
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,319
i think she may still be alive she was

1079
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:12,880
95 a couple years ago

1080
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,160
said that she was a neighbor of theirs

1081
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:19,119
and that her husband and ed ripolt

1082
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,000
uh

1083
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:22,800
rode to work together every day

1084
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,599
and

1085
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,599
what their work was she said she didn't

1086
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,000
know because they never ever discussed

1087
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,160
it she said but

1088
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:33,040
she always believed in her husband

1089
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:34,319
believed

1090
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,230
murdered

1091
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:41,520
really and

1092
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:44,839
he did not die of natural

1093
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,599
causes well you said earlier he had a

1094
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,119
heart attack

1095
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,280
yes

1096
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,240
yeah had the heart attack in 56

1097
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,520
and then um

1098
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,040
fatal heart attack

1099
00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:59,760
or whatever in in 60.

1100
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,119
37 years old so he was 32 years old when

1101
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,880
he had his first heart attack which is

1102
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:06,960
very young

1103
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,160
wow amazing um so

1104
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,960
brother his brother passed away

1105
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,640
he was i think his slightly younger

1106
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:18,240
brother i think he was well

1107
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,640
in his upper 80s 87 yeah so it's just uh

1108
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:24,640
uh there's longevity in his family but

1109
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:26,839
it didn't happen with him

1110
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:30,960
um so uh have you

1111
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,640
uh now was this case uh part of let's

1112
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:37,920
see was it uh grunt project um

1113
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,240
what am i thinking of uh it's in blue

1114
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,280
book it is in blue book this case is yes

1115
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,960
yes it is now

1116
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:47,280
interestingly enough about five years

1117
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:48,079
ago

1118
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,359
when

1119
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,520
i i had attempted to

1120
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:53,680
go up to montgomery alabama where they

1121
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,560
had the archives and

1122
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,960
when i finally got somebody that could

1123
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,680
talk they said oh well that's all now in

1124
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:03,920
washington d.c

1125
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,720
i said oh great so i gave up on that but

1126
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,079
then i

1127
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,319
somehow i found out that the archives

1128
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,440
were now online and i found

1129
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,680
the what's called the i'm not sure what

1130
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,560
the air force nomenclature is but it's

1131
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,599
one zero zero seven three that's the

1132
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:23,520
form number

1133
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,040
i guess they call it 10 0 73

1134
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,920
all the reports are filed on that form

1135
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,520
number

1136
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,319
i actually found that and i wish that i

1137
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,440
had made a copy of it but i didn't

1138
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,319
um i found it and read read the the

1139
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,800
report it was a brief synopsis but there

1140
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,520
were no field notes or anything else

1141
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,640
attached

1142
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,280
and the conclusion was that i had

1143
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,559
witnessed

1144
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:52,960
uh it didn't give my name but it said

1145
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:53,839
you know

1146
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,119
blah blah pensacola

1147
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,480
that i had witnessed a mid-air refueling

1148
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:04,000
operation

1149
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,440
i thought that was a pretty pretty

1150
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,160
clever way of of explaining it and and

1151
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:09,599
that would have that would have worked

1152
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,079
fine except when the two separated um

1153
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,400
they don't do that um

1154
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:17,680
so

1155
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,559
uh that was the that was the explanation

1156
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,280
but but no field notes were attached

1157
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,119
since that time i've gone back to the

1158
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,520
blue back to blue book archives and i

1159
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:30,240
have searched exhaustively

1160
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:33,440
and all i can find is a reference to the

1161
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,480
date

1162
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,680
a reference to um

1163
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,240
just that there was a sighting and

1164
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:42,880
in pensacola florida that date

1165
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:49,190
missing

1166
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,440
how about that

1167
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,200
so you actually saw it at one time and

1168
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,599
then it's just it's gone

1169
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,400
as god as my witness i saw it and and

1170
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,880
showed it to my wife and and and and

1171
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,880
kids they all they all saw it we all saw

1172
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,880
it read it together i said well that's

1173
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:08,000
kind of a

1174
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,520
downer

1175
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,880
because

1176
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,160
you know at least they could have said

1177
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,400
it was unexplained but no i mean that

1178
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,480
that was the explanation

1179
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,839
um

1180
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,079
which i guess is plausible and they said

1181
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,240
that it was uh uh

1182
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,200
the the refueling was over tyndall air

1183
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:27,680
force base in panama city which was

1184
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:35,510
it's pretty far away

1185
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,960
to see lights pretty pretty during close

1186
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,470
wow evidently they you know they had

1187
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,880
seen something they'd i don't know

1188
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,880
whether it was radar

1189
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,319
visual

1190
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,079
uh civilian

1191
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,119
military sighting but somebody had seen

1192
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:58,000
something that really really tweaked

1193
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,520
their interest

1194
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,200
um

1195
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:05,109
you know i've talked to

1196
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,319
you know some

1197
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,680
some experts in back in the

1198
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,800
90s guys that are you know a part of the

1199
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,720
regular talk show

1200
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,200
group and they basically say well you

1201
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,200
know your sighting is

1202
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,359
is is nothing i mean all you saw were

1203
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,680
night lights and that's nothing that

1204
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,520
wouldn't have justified

1205
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,119
them coming out there must have been

1206
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,200
some other reason

1207
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,119
why they came out and when you

1208
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:34,000
considered that it was ed ropelt himself

1209
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:39,430
olson

1210
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,520
two of the the mainstays

1211
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:47,359
in the organization

1212
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,510
almost three years after rupaul was out

1213
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,400
in a civilian you know he still had his

1214
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,119
uniform i guess but uh

1215
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:01,839
wow i mean what

1216
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,040
what what what prompted it um

1217
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,160
now you mentioned earlier that they had

1218
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,160
there was some there was uh

1219
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:13,119
some cooperation in other words uh

1220
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,520
someone else had seen this obviously

1221
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,599
was did you happen to notice was that

1222
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,760
noted anywhere as well

1223
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,480
no

1224
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,079
it wasn't

1225
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:26,640
and there was no other sighting uh in

1226
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,960
the area uh around those dates

1227
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,640
so it'd kind of make you wonder if

1228
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:34,400
you're trying to put together a puzzle

1229
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,640
pieces maybe uh maybe someone saw the

1230
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,920
encounter

1231
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,800
uh even the sighting even closer

1232
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,880
uh maybe someone saw it earlier and

1233
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:47,760
there was a landing um trying to figure

1234
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,319
out why they would try to lead you into

1235
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:51,920
telling them

1236
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,670
they were he was very very

1237
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,160
leading in that regard

1238
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,119
and i remember feeling

1239
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,599
great discomfort like i i should be

1240
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,040
telling him

1241
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,440
you know that that it had landed but i

1242
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,319
couldn't because it hadn't i mean i just

1243
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,200
i had to i had to stick to my story

1244
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,160
which was the only story i had which was

1245
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,800
what i saw

1246
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,640
now you mentioned your you mentioned

1247
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:24,160
your parents were

1248
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,280
divorced

1249
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,599
at that time but if were you in touch

1250
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,119
with your father did you talk to him

1251
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,720
about this

1252
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,760
uh only in later life uh and that's an

1253
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,000
interesting part of the story

1254
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:38,880
um i got to know my dad uh

1255
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:42,160
really really well in in my 40s

1256
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,680
and and we became great friends uh and

1257
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,680
uh devoted to each other

1258
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:50,079
up until the time of his his death in in

1259
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:55,109
but

1260
00:53:02,549 --> 00:52:56,240
after

1261
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:02,559
um well but as i said my dad flew uh

1262
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,880
b-24s heavy bombers uh over over england

1263
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:08,800
he was not part of the eighth air force

1264
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,000
but flew with the eighth air force those

1265
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,319
guys got to fly 25 missions if they

1266
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,240
survived of course i think the average

1267
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,559
was about six or seven missions

1268
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,720
uh and then the pilots you know that's

1269
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,319
how long they lived

1270
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:23,680
um

1271
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,839
i'm not sure how many missions my dad

1272
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:28,319
flew but he was there for for a couple

1273
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,640
of years and he didn't get to go home

1274
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:34,160
he

1275
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:39,760
fly anti-submarine

1276
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:43,359
warfare but we had no technology for

1277
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,720
doing that

1278
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:45,520
but

1279
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,800
at the end of the war

1280
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,480
he was

1281
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:55,109
topeka kansas

1282
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,319
to a secret training operation where

1283
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,079
they had developed

1284
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,400
i guess what we'd call a laser guided or

1285
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,400
smart bomb

1286
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,000
they would drop

1287
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,400
three buoys and triangulate on a

1288
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:10,480
submarine and so

1289
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,319
he told me he said look he says

1290
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,559
you know i came home from the war with a

1291
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:17,599
a

1292
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:24,559
one i never

1293
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,240
lost a crewman he was shot down twice

1294
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,640
but crashed twice but never lost to

1295
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,599
crewman

1296
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:32,640
and

1297
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,960
most proud of was when i came back from

1298
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,720
kansas

1299
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:41,520
i sunk a german u-boat

1300
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,319
that was this was after the war was over

1301
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:46,720
it was a rogue u-boat he said i sunk a

1302
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:51,280
u-boat uh in a pby and he said

1303
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:52,640
we dropped

1304
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,599
you know we said we were out we we we

1305
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,760
were near the end of our mission we were

1306
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,680
running low on fuel

1307
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:01,440
and uh

1308
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:02,319
we

1309
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,559
periscope

1310
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,280
and so uh he said my co-pilot said hey

1311
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,839
bill let's uh let's head on back he said

1312
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,000
no i can't he says there's a whole

1313
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:16,799
flotilla of hospital ships going back he

1314
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,599
says

1315
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,280
that u-boat is going to have its way

1316
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:21,839
with them if we don't stop it so he

1317
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,799
dropped the three buoys and then got a a

1318
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,680
fix on the u-boat and dropped the bomb

1319
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,400
that went or the torpedo that went to it

1320
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,000
and they could actually hear it he says

1321
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:33,920
i could hear the baffles collapsing i

1322
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,720
could hear the screams on board and i

1323
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,440
knew that we had sunk that u-boat

1324
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:42,079
because then it went all quiet

1325
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,359
and

1326
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:45,040
he said that's that's my proudest

1327
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,799
accomplishment he says

1328
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,720
he said i took a lot of lives with a lot

1329
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,480
of bombs some people that didn't need to

1330
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:53,040
die he said but i saved a lot of lives

1331
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,960
of american gis who were coming back so

1332
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:58,799
i just offered that story to give you a

1333
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:01,280
little insight into my dad

1334
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,400
he uh he was an engineer as well

1335
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,799
and uh like captain ruppelt

1336
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,319
and uh

1337
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,119
maybe i s maybe i saw a little bit of my

1338
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:13,760
dad and captain ruppelt or kind of

1339
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:16,240
wanted that that dad figure is why i

1340
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,599
liked him so

1341
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,520
so much but uh

1342
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,319
in in having an adult conversation with

1343
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,280
my dad about it i asked him i said dad

1344
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:26,960
did you ever

1345
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:29,839
see anything when you were flying uh any

1346
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,799
any ufos he says oh you mean foo

1347
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,200
fighters

1348
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,760
oh he said yeah they flew very matter oh

1349
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,240
they flew with us all the time

1350
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,640
i said really he says oh yeah they on

1351
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:44,240
almost every mission they were they were

1352
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,599
flying with us

1353
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,160
i said well did they ever attack or

1354
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,079
anything no no they just they just they

1355
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,799
just flew like escorts

1356
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,880
and he was very matter of fact about it

1357
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:56,799
just like you know

1358
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,200
and um

1359
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:01,760
so i later found out that that you know

1360
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,400
when working as a civilian at fort

1361
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,400
rucker where he was uh

1362
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,160
chief of air safety

1363
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:10,240
as a civilian he uh

1364
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,359
he actually we believe and can't prove

1365
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,280
we think he pretty sure

1366
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:17,040
he worked for the cia

1367
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,319
and um

1368
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,400
and i always wondered if if you know

1369
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,559
with his secret

1370
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,400
stuff that he was doing

1371
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,880
uh you know he never left the military i

1372
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,040
mean he he was out of the military but

1373
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,720
he never

1374
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,559
i think like had ruppelt

1375
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,319
you know he was just part of that

1376
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:35,920
clandestine

1377
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,440
service and uh never never really left

1378
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:41,839
so i wondered if if you know when they

1379
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,480
saw my name if you know if that if that

1380
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,000
triggered it you know

1381
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,319
you know what's this is this guy the son

1382
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:50,960
of this guy does he you know but but

1383
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,799
my mother said it never came up uh

1384
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,119
you know with with captain rumple that

1385
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,520
that he never asked you know uh how's

1386
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:02,480
your husband doing or anything like that

1387
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:03,280
so

1388
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,400
that's probably you know a false lead

1389
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:09,359
but but i often wondered if if that were

1390
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,480
the case

1391
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,960
wow and i asked i asked my dad also i

1392
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,880
said dad i said

1393
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:16,240
if

1394
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,640
knows i said how can that be kept a

1395
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,760
secret

1396
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,920
he looked at me he says i i'll tell you

1397
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,559
i'll tell you this he says uh and don't

1398
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,440
you ever ask me that again he says

1399
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,920
they tell you that if you ever tell

1400
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,640
about this that you will be killed and

1401
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,200
so will every member of your family

1402
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:41,359
he said that's how secrets are kept he

1403
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,549
do you think he was exaggerating or do

1404
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:49,680
you think

1405
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,799
not this man no

1406
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,000
wow

1407
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,480
no he's no exaggeration and

1408
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,720
not not an exaggerating bone in this

1409
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:00,400
guy's body

1410
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,960
wow amazing so the foo fighters uh

1411
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:07,280
you when you read about that or you hear

1412
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:08,400
about that

1413
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:09,359
they

1414
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,599
uh according to most there was no idea

1415
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,960
what they were

1416
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,720
there was speculation that they could

1417
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:19,200
have been from the germans or what did

1418
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:20,799
he think did he talk about what he

1419
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,950
not really um he considered them to be

1420
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:32,230
that they were not hostile

1421
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:33,760
and um

1422
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,160
they they flew with us they're like

1423
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,240
escorts and uh

1424
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:40,400
we were glad they were there

1425
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,280
and

1426
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,200
it's almost like

1427
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:45,440
they guided us you almost i think he

1428
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:47,040
said something like it's almost like

1429
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,309
it was just

1430
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,400
but he would he talked about that very

1431
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,480
freely but when once we got into the

1432
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:57,680
subject of

1433
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:01,119
ufos and secrets boy did the door ever

1434
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,400
close

1435
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,400
and he said i can talk about the foo

1436
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,319
fighters because everybody knew about

1437
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:07,920
that

1438
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,559
i'm not talking out of out of school but

1439
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:11,920
he

1440
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,880
my dad had a

1441
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,480
cardiac arrest

1442
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,270
i think 60 years old and survived it

1443
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:25,920
but when he went to

1444
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:28,079
university of alabama birmingham to have

1445
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:28,880
his

1446
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:31,839
quintuple bypass

1447
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,640
there were two fbi agents in the

1448
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,119
operating room with him

1449
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,200
really wow

1450
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,240
yeah they would not let him be sedated

1451
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,160
without the fbi

1452
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,079
there

1453
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,240
so that's the kind of secret clearance

1454
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:49,839
he had

1455
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,920
wow amazing so when um

1456
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:56,400
the the thing that another just to

1457
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,760
continue a little bit on the foo

1458
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,599
fighters again the

1459
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,079
speculation is you know

1460
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,920
why did they only happen during world

1461
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,760
war ii you didn't hear about them

1462
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,960
afterwards

1463
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,799
um and

1464
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,480
you know some people

1465
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,480
uh i'm not saying this is my thoughts at

1466
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,720
all but some people have speculated that

1467
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:16,640
it's a time travel

1468
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,520
uh

1469
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,000
situation that people are focusing on

1470
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,000
historic events now i don't know if i

1471
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,920
buy into that in any type of way or not

1472
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:24,720
but

1473
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,520
um

1474
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,839
it is uh it's very interesting that that

1475
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:30,000
just seemed to happen during the war and

1476
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,599
then you didn't hear about it

1477
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:33,280
after

1478
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,400
it was like gone that's right i mean

1479
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,799
where did the foo fighters go why why

1480
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,240
were they

1481
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,599
just in

1482
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,839
northern europe i don't think they were

1483
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,000
ever

1484
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,319
perhaps they were recorded in

1485
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,559
southern europe and italy and greece and

1486
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,960
places like that but

1487
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,480
they um

1488
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,240
they were definitely in in northern

1489
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:58,720
europe where where my dad was was flying

1490
01:02:01,270 --> 01:02:00,000
and uh

1491
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,280
you know he

1492
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:03,440
said oh yeah

1493
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:05,359
i saw them all the time they were always

1494
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:06,400
there

1495
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,359
now a lot of people are saying that um

1496
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,480
they were similar to orbs like um and

1497
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,960
some said they were green and you know

1498
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:16,480
they're different colors

1499
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,720
did he did he go into detail i know this

1500
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:20,400
is probably

1501
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,440
uh

1502
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,119
a little redundant for you but did he go

1503
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,520
into detail about them

1504
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:28,079
not really not really

1505
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,440
he just called them foo fighters and

1506
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:33,359
it was uh they were like he said they

1507
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,039
were like flew with us

1508
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,440
in formation like escorts

1509
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,520
so it was sort of uh the impression i

1510
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:41,359
had from him was they weren't just

1511
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,720
buzzing around

1512
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,359
but they were kind of flying

1513
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,920
i guess like if you look out on the wing

1514
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,839
and you see a light out there on your

1515
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,119
you know

1516
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:53,039
on the end of your wing

1517
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,000
or a landing light it's

1518
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:57,680
it's just like seeing a light out there

1519
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:00,720
it's just flying with them

1520
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,839
most of my dad's flying was at night

1521
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:05,760
oh really yeah

1522
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,319
so uh going back to

1523
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,400
this um

1524
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,240
all the way back to the encounter you

1525
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:14,880
had and back to the visit

1526
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,079
from rupault and uh uh owens

1527
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:22,799
olsen i mean uh

1528
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:26,640
it is very unusual that they would spend

1529
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:29,599
uh for lights in the sky basically that

1530
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:30,799
there's been

1531
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:33,680
seven or eight hours in uh

1532
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:37,039
in the home now you said you felt

1533
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,799
comfortable but

1534
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:41,200
when they wanted to speak to alone i

1535
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,400
mean

1536
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,400
uh that must have been

1537
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:46,960
you know for a young kid um

1538
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:48,640
you must have felt

1539
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:52,240
uh a little uncomfortable i would think

1540
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:56,240
actually not uh rupert was so uh warm

1541
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:57,760
and engaging

1542
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,319
that that he was just like

1543
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,039
you know uh it was like he we'd become

1544
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:06,000
friends and so i i trusted him

1545
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:07,200
uh

1546
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,240
my head so to speak

1547
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,960
and uh it just didn't seem

1548
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,039
to have the the same

1549
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:25,200
the same degree of

1550
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:28,160
of empathy

1551
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,680
but

1552
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,599
whether maybe perhaps perhaps he wasn't

1553
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:33,839
even interested in in the in the case

1554
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,280
but rupert clearly was

1555
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,200
interested in wanting to get all the

1556
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:41,920
information he could but no i was i was

1557
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,119
pretty relaxed by then and i was i was

1558
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:47,760
wanting to to end it i mean i was i was

1559
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,559
ready to i mean the day was shot and i

1560
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,920
obviously wasn't going to get to the

1561
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,480
pool

1562
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:56,880
i just wanted to get get the heck

1563
01:05:01,589 --> 01:05:00,720
out of there and uh and finish up

1564
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:01,599
yeah

1565
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:02,400
wow

1566
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,710
as you moved on you said you didn't

1567
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:08,720
really talk about this for 40 years but

1568
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,160
did you keep a keen interest in ufos

1569
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,799
oh yes oh yes

1570
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:16,319
always uh

1571
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:17,359
you know

1572
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:22,160
about it occasionally buy a book about

1573
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,760
you know and and uh so i i've i've kept

1574
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:27,520
up with it um

1575
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:30,799
all along and uh you know i'm i'm

1576
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:31,760
certainly

1577
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,559
don't

1578
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:34,559
consider myself uh

1579
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:36,880
you know an expert i'm not ready to you

1580
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:38,559
know i'm not interested in going on the

1581
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,599
tour

1582
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,880
or or

1583
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:42,799
you know going to any conferences or

1584
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,760
anything like that um

1585
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:47,599
you know i'm happy to talk to you in the

1586
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,559
audience about it tonight and and share

1587
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:52,400
it because

1588
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,440
it's my story and it's the it's the same

1589
01:06:02,309 --> 01:05:58,400
story i told captain ripple

1590
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:02,319
you know 50 however many years ago

1591
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:06,000
55 or more years ago 60 years ago is it

1592
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:09,920
60 yes it is 68 years ago

1593
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:13,039
it uh it's still a very very vivid

1594
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:14,400
memory

1595
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:17,119
i've i've done some work

1596
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:20,880
on trying to reconstruct things

1597
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,520
through visualization

1598
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:26,400
i've gone back and found old pictures of

1599
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,549
you know the house of course that we

1600
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:34,400
lived in is no longer there it's

1601
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,119
bulldozed years ago but i've gone back

1602
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:39,520
and tried to sketch the floor plan and

1603
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:42,400
to look at some some old pictures of of

1604
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:43,599
the house

1605
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:46,480
inside and out and and trying to sort of

1606
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,000
reconstruct uh the events

1607
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:52,640
my youngest daughter uh laura who i

1608
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,839
think you may have spoken to in the past

1609
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:57,280
um

1610
01:07:01,029 --> 01:07:00,079
laura's an excellent artist and and she

1611
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:01,039
does

1612
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,720
she can do anything in in drawing so uh

1613
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,799
we're gonna we're working on a

1614
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,839
collaboration uh what i'd call sort of

1615
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:11,760
not not a comic book because it's not

1616
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:14,799
funny but but an illustrated

1617
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:17,359
view of what happened

1618
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:20,480
so there would be pictures of of

1619
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,680
you know of scenes uh all the scenes

1620
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,160
that i remember vividly to try to you

1621
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,319
know get her to describe i would

1622
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,240
describe it get her to draw it and then

1623
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,319
we would have a narrative that goes with

1624
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,559
that and and that's

1625
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:37,039
i mean that's just for my own amusement

1626
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:38,480
really

1627
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,319
um but i i think that visual is i you

1628
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:43,920
know my doctorate's in educational

1629
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,000
psychology and and and i know that

1630
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,319
visualization is is

1631
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:49,920
very very

1632
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:53,920
important uh to to learning and and to

1633
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,799
uh

1634
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,480
into memory

1635
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,839
we're getting a thunderstorm here i

1636
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:59,200
don't know if you heard the clap of

1637
01:08:01,510 --> 01:08:00,559
thunder there but

1638
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,520
it's just

1639
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:03,280
cracked

1640
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:06,559
so creating those images helps to bring

1641
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:09,520
back some of the details and i found

1642
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:12,799
that that my memory seems to improve

1643
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,000
with with the visualization of of the

1644
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,719
different scenes of of where we were and

1645
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:20,719
i've got some pretty good

1646
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,640
embedded visuals of of of it and

1647
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,560
because

1648
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:28,799
i've thought about it i may not have

1649
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,319
told the story

1650
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:32,080
a lot over the years but i've thought

1651
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:38,789
and it's it's because not just of the

1652
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,159
visit but of what caused the visit

1653
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,159
the sighting itself

1654
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:45,839
um

1655
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,640
uh powerful and and and thrilling to see

1656
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,719
something like that

1657
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,640
because i've never seen anything like it

1658
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,839
since

1659
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,600
have you had any type of sighting at all

1660
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,600
since that time

1661
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,799
um

1662
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:04,799
one or two nights when we were living in

1663
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,520
pensacola in in the

1664
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:09,199
early 90s

1665
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,159
my wife and i went out with the mufon

1666
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,839
group they would go out to the pensacola

1667
01:09:16,690 --> 01:09:15,279
bay bridge and

1668
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,700
and look and

1669
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:18,560
[Music]

1670
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,480
we did we did see um uh a moving light

1671
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,239
i don't know what it was but it wasn't

1672
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:26,560
nearly as impressive as what i saw when

1673
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:27,920
i was 12.

1674
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,880
um

1675
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:30,319
and some of the people you know said

1676
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:32,239
they they saw a lot of things and i'm

1677
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,040
sure some of them did um

1678
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:36,880
you know but but

1679
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:39,520
i i try to remain a healthy skeptic and

1680
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,400
um

1681
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:42,560
you know if it's somebody i know and and

1682
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:43,679
believe

1683
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,239
um i've had you know

1684
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,880
some folks that i've known and

1685
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,199
you know uh worked with over the years

1686
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,199
that i i believe and when they tell me

1687
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:55,199
some they saw something

1688
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,400
um

1689
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,800
you know i'm i think there

1690
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,880
are probably a lot of people like me who

1691
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:03,040
have seen things that just never really

1692
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,560
talk about it

1693
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:07,199
yeah that's true that that uh

1694
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:09,199
i'm sure it's a large percentage you

1695
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:10,480
know i forgot to mention that if

1696
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,840
anyone's listening live and they would

1697
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,280
like to call in

1698
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:14,880
and ask our guests a question you're

1699
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:22,470
so during the

1700
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,080
late 1980s the gulf breeze

1701
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:31,189
you all right

1702
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:34,800
yes i'm here okay uh you know

1703
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,760
it

1704
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:37,840
a lot of that a lot of people claim that

1705
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,880
was a hoax or part of it was a hoax

1706
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:42,960
some of it was possibly

1707
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,520
did you were you uh

1708
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,199
paying attention to that when it was

1709
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,800
going on

1710
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,440
i certainly did um of course we didn't

1711
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,120
know who ed was

1712
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:54,719
until much later

1713
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,719
and then

1714
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,640
much to my surprise it turned out to be

1715
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:01,440
ed walters and and i knew ed walters

1716
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:05,910
he was like a real estate developer or

1717
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:09,199
something right yeah yeah a builder uh

1718
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,640
very very nice guy and and just

1719
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:15,120
a regular

1720
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:16,560
businessman

1721
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:20,080
um we shared the same cpa uh

1722
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,360
the cpa

1723
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,199
and our fraternity brothers we've known

1724
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,440
each other for years and and i talked to

1725
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,000
him about it and he says yeah he says ed

1726
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:31,120
is just as level-headed as as anybody

1727
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:32,800
and

1728
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,840
so um

1729
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,750
it's it's it's it's hard to know um

1730
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,120
um

1731
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:45,920
fenner mcconnell who was the uh

1732
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,560
medical examiner there in uh escambia

1733
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:49,679
county a

1734
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,199
uh uh really a a wonderful person and

1735
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:55,199
outstanding uh

1736
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,400
physician

1737
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,159
um had

1738
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:00,960
you know he had seen and and when fenner

1739
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:03,199
when fenner spoke i mean you knew this

1740
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,480
this is

1741
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:06,080
can't say it on the air but he's a

1742
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,400
no-nonsense guy he wouldn't make it up

1743
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,239
you know no way fender mcconnell would

1744
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,560
ever make anything up and

1745
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,040
his sister

1746
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,440
lived in mississippi and she had

1747
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,280
a sighting

1748
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,280
about the same time

1749
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,440
and she was visited

1750
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:27,760
by some men in black and they threatened

1751
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,120
her

1752
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:31,760
and when fenner told that story i i

1753
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:32,719
believed

1754
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,800
was uh accidentally killed uh he was

1755
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:40,800
a great jogger and was jogging across

1756
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,360
the bob sykes bridge one day and i guess

1757
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,800
somebody uh

1758
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:46,080
just wasn't looking where they were

1759
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:48,840
going and uh ran him down and killed

1760
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,600
him but um

1761
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,760
so there were there were some

1762
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,880
um

1763
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,080
people in that group uh that that i

1764
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,320
went to went to elementary and high

1765
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:02,320
school with and that i've known all my

1766
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,280
life

1767
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,280
and these are

1768
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:07,440
these are people that don't

1769
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:10,239
don't lie and don't tell don't make up

1770
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:12,000
stories i mean

1771
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:14,000
you know this is uh pensacola is the

1772
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:17,600
deep south and uh

1773
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,960
that kind of

1774
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:21,440
you know people that make up

1775
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:22,880
tall tales

1776
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,679
uh

1777
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,320
they're ostracized and so when these

1778
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,880
guys come out and say they saw something

1779
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:30,239
you better believe they're telling the

1780
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,280
truth

1781
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,960
that they saw they saw something they

1782
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:34,719
couldn't explain

1783
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:37,040
now maybe there may be an explanation

1784
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,239
for it

1785
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,400
besides

1786
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,000
aliens

1787
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,159
operating equipment but

1788
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,320
um

1789
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,600
i mean there were there were a lot of

1790
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:50,000
stories that that popped up there a lot

1791
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,840
of stories that popped up

1792
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,840
yeah and uh so that was that was a

1793
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,520
fascinating time

1794
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,360
um

1795
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:59,040
you know

1796
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,719
people would say oh it's just mass

1797
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,239
hysteria and

1798
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,000
uh all that but

1799
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,159
yeah i mean you you hear you hear of ed

1800
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:07,920
walters but there was also

1801
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,400
a lot of people that were witnessing

1802
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:13,280
something going on prominent prominent

1803
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:14,719
people

1804
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,600
i mean one one guy i know is an eagle

1805
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:21,760
scout and

1806
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:24,080
this guy would never

1807
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,199
he would never tell a lie

1808
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:29,040
well here here's the thing that seems to

1809
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,320
happen

1810
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:32,480
um you know because i understand when

1811
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,440
someone bought um ed walters house they

1812
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,239
found a model of the craft up underneath

1813
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:40,719
some insulation in the attic when they

1814
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,239
were changing the heating system uh

1815
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:45,840
you know so

1816
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,320
what seems to happen and i've seen this

1817
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,600
and talked about it uh before is that

1818
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,000
yes someone does have a sighting it's

1819
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,480
it's uh monumental to them

1820
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:58,640
um and then time goes on and then

1821
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,520
they're trying to like keep it alive or

1822
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,280
or keep themself

1823
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:05,440
in the news or whatever it is

1824
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,760
um and then they they seem to go wrong

1825
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:09,520
this seems to happen to a number of

1826
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:10,560
people

1827
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,080
where um someone will either hoax or

1828
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:16,320
exaggerate a story just to keep

1829
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:17,440
keep uh

1830
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,640
the spotlight on them on themselves

1831
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,960
so it's well i can only speculate that's

1832
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:24,480
what happened with ed but i don't really

1833
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,840
know

1834
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,239
i i don't either

1835
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,560
and and i can't i can't be the judge of

1836
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,790
nor do i want to be but

1837
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,709
there were enough other people though

1838
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:40,239
that

1839
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:41,040
were

1840
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,679
that that had credible sightings that uh

1841
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:47,920
make me believe that um

1842
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,880
at least part of what ed had

1843
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,960
said he saw was real

1844
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:54,960
um

1845
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:00,320
felt uh after that i i don't know i'm

1846
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:08,790
yeah so you you've gone this long um

1847
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,400
you've been paying attention to what's

1848
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,280
going on in the ufos there's actually a

1849
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:15,600
symposium coming up we were talking

1850
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,159
about earlier with alejandro

1851
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,800
in florida coming up this year it's a

1852
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:22,400
it's a real good one

1853
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,159
have you uh i know you mentioned you

1854
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,679
went to the christmas party but have you

1855
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:28,239
ever attended any type of

1856
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:31,440
um ufo convention of any type

1857
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:34,480
never have never have

1858
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:36,640
well uh it's going to be a good one this

1859
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:38,960
year i just can't remember where it is

1860
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,520
in florida but that's in august

1861
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,320
a lot of really good speakers there

1862
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,400
so what do you think

1863
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,400
um

1864
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,640
i always like to kind of get people's

1865
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,719
different opinion what do you think they

1866
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:54,159
are do you think

1867
01:16:58,990 --> 01:16:57,360
it's uh a possible it's possible that

1868
01:17:02,149 --> 01:16:59,000
these are

1869
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:02,159
extraterrestrial visitations or what are

1870
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:09,270
uh

1871
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,910
i i think it's probably

1872
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:13,199
today

1873
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,640
uh what people are saying is probably

1874
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:18,880
some kind of reverse engineered craft

1875
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:21,440
that we've we've managed to fly or or

1876
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,520
maybe not even reverse engineered maybe

1877
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:24,960
it's just something

1878
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,800
you know in the skunk works that we came

1879
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:29,040
up with that that looks

1880
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:30,480
looks really weird

1881
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,600
uh

1882
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,360
you know when we first saw the stealth i

1883
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:35,040
mean it was kind of like whoa look at

1884
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:35,920
that

1885
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:37,120
uh

1886
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,960
so

1887
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:40,159
but but the

1888
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,840
the old sightings

1889
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:44,960
the signing that i saw in 1956

1890
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:46,960
and the sightings back then

1891
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:51,430
those those

1892
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:54,400
had to be i mean they were not russians

1893
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,120
they were not our secret planes flying

1894
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:59,199
around because we didn't have anything

1895
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:01,040
to do that and really we still don't

1896
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:02,719
have anything that i know of that can do

1897
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:08,470
i believe that the

1898
01:18:13,950 --> 01:18:11,040
at least the the older sightings

1899
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:13,960
um were were

1900
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:16,159
extraterrestrial in in nature that

1901
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:17,440
that's just

1902
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,440
the best guess i think i think it's the

1903
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:21,199
most logical guess

1904
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:22,880
um

1905
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:27,040
and i say that without any emotion or

1906
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,159
you know

1907
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,239
titillation i just really think that's

1908
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:31,840
that's probably

1909
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,239
the best guess that uh you know we we

1910
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:35,840
hadn't been alone how long they've been

1911
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:37,120
coming here

1912
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:40,800
or whatever who knows and

1913
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,400
um but but i suspect that there's

1914
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:46,480
it's more than just uh

1915
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,760
you know idle curiosity i mean they they

1916
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,159
they're here if if they're here they're

1917
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:54,480
here for a reason

1918
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:56,080
uh if they're

1919
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:58,080
community if they're not communicating

1920
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:03,110
in a public sense

1921
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,400
then

1922
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:06,480
there's a reason for that

1923
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,229
i i had a i brought this up probably

1924
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:14,159
about five or six times on the show out

1925
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:17,120
of 200 some odd episodes

1926
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:20,400
and that is uh i spoke to someone

1927
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,679
years ago

1928
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,719
that told me they were part of

1929
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:26,640
the air force that was investigating

1930
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:28,080
ufos during

1931
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,760
vietnam

1932
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:31,360
and um

1933
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:34,080
which wasn't supposed to be happening

1934
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:34,960
or

1935
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:38,159
i mean anyway the bottom line is

1936
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,600
um

1937
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:42,400
i asked why why were they you know what

1938
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:45,760
are they and why are they here

1939
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:47,360
and he said uh

1940
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,719
he said uh because we're a petri dish

1941
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,880
and i mean it was just like a blunt

1942
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:54,480
statement like that

1943
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:58,320
like we're being observed uh so i i just

1944
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:59,679
thought it was an interesting statement

1945
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:00,640
whether

1946
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,640
he was uh

1947
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:05,280
bs'ing or telling the truth

1948
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,229
well there uh

1949
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:14,880
there's some pretty pretty smart guys in

1950
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:17,600
in academia that

1951
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,040
let's just say a little bit out of the

1952
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:21,920
mainstream because mainstream science is

1953
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:22,719
uh

1954
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:25,840
extremely conservative and

1955
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:32,709
but there are there are some very bright

1956
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:33,760
rebels

1957
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:37,199
that believe uh and i i happen to share

1958
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:38,400
this belief

1959
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,430
that

1960
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,360
you know this

1961
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,040
you know the the whole

1962
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,239
theory of evolution uh is just isn't is

1963
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,320
something i personally

1964
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:57,280
don't find much scientific merit for it

1965
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:01,360
um or logic for it um yeah homo sapiens

1966
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:03,840
when it comes to humans i agree with you

1967
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:07,760
yeah uh when it comes to uh homo sapiens

1968
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:09,199
uh you know

1969
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:12,719
we uh we appeared very very rapidly yes

1970
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:15,920
about 100 120 000 years ago it doesn't

1971
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,480
make any sense i've said that i i know

1972
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,080
this is a show about ufos but i've said

1973
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:22,800
that a couple of times it just seems so

1974
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,360
quickly as far as evolution to develop

1975
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,800
like this

1976
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:28,880
i mean uh

1977
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:35,270
how how it was done who knows uh

1978
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,760
you know was is it a completely

1979
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,000
new species that was introduced from

1980
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:42,000
somewhere or is it a is a genetic

1981
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,000
modification who who knows uh how it was

1982
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,639
done and you know i'll probably we'll

1983
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,880
probably never know in our lifetime

1984
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:53,360
and i'm not sure it it it makes any

1985
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:56,480
difference but um you know the

1986
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:59,360
extinction of neanderthal and

1987
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,400
uh

1988
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,440
you know did homo sapiens just simply

1989
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:05,360
it's just are we just vicious killers

1990
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,560
that put these guys out um or you know

1991
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:11,520
did we interbreed with them or

1992
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:13,280
uh

1993
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,400
you know

1994
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:16,960
it's just it just happened too quickly

1995
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:20,080
and and they can you know hypothesize

1996
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,600
all they want but i just think it's

1997
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:23,520
foolishness i mean it's just

1998
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,760
it's just much it's a much better

1999
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,199
explanation

2000
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:28,960
to

2001
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:32,800
experiment

2002
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,990
yeah but but mainstream science you know

2003
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,760
or they just um

2004
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,280
they can't handle it

2005
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:45,360
because because they would be wrong you

2006
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:47,199
know everything they've learned would be

2007
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,960
wrong yeah they don't want to rewrite

2008
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:50,480
the textbooks

2009
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,159
no no it it it would be uh humiliating

2010
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,679
and uh

2011
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,560
you know their their arrogance is uh

2012
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,800
is uh unbelievable

2013
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:02,800
so

2014
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:05,199
yeah i know you hear a lot about

2015
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:07,280
how

2016
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,560
that

2017
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:10,320
there are discoveries

2018
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,199
in

2019
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:13,199
archaeology that

2020
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,199
are that don't make any sense and you

2021
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:17,440
just don't hear about them um there's

2022
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:19,199
there's a question up on the message

2023
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,760
board um

2024
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:23,760
someone wants to know do you ever go sky

2025
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:26,239
watching now

2026
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:28,639
uh occasionally i do i mean when i go

2027
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:30,400
out at night

2028
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,480
i always look around

2029
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:34,400
but you know i haven't i haven't seen

2030
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:36,480
anything uh

2031
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,520
in about 25 years um

2032
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,440
so

2033
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:43,760
you know i'm not i'm not looking looking

2034
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,639
for anything but

2035
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:48,719
well if if i saw something it would be

2036
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,520
great but yeah i'm you know i've i've

2037
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:53,280
had my moment i

2038
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:54,880
i had my

2039
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:57,840
my surprise and uh he's 12. that's

2040
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,239
enough yeah enough for a lifetime

2041
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,199
well you know it's since i've had

2042
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:05,280
my sighting uh

2043
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:09,199
which was only in 2006

2044
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,840
um i am constantly

2045
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,520
looking to the sky

2046
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,520
and i think that's unlike

2047
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:17,760
you know an average person you know once

2048
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,280
you have a sighting i think it just kind

2049
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,360
of changes the way you think about

2050
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:22,800
things and

2051
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:26,400
uh also changes uh the way you observe

2052
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:27,840
because i think you know the average

2053
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:30,800
person is not really even looking up in

2054
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:37,350
i would agree um

2055
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:40,480
when i say you know i had my moment uh

2056
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:43,679
60 years ago i i i kind of feel like

2057
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,400
i've

2058
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,719
i had enough i mean

2059
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:48,960
i don't need to see anything else it

2060
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:51,040
might frighten me too bad

2061
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,080
yeah

2062
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,080
you know you deserve really frightened i

2063
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:56,800
was really really scared as a 12 year

2064
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:00,239
old really scared well kind of it's a

2065
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:03,840
new uh paradigm basically when you

2066
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:06,400
see something like that then

2067
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:09,199
everything changes you know i mean

2068
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,719
not not to everybody you know i've

2069
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,719
talked to people that have had major

2070
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:14,159
sightings and

2071
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,080
it never they never think about it like

2072
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,080
it just isn't they don't really care you

2073
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:20,239
know i mean it surprises the heck out of

2074
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:21,040
me

2075
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,480
because i think it's

2076
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:25,040
probably one of the most important uh

2077
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,709
i i agree um

2078
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:32,560
you know i

2079
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,590
not not

2080
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,920
for me it was very exciting but when you

2081
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:41,040
when you

2082
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,960
put it among all the sightings that you

2083
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:44,639
know where people have actually seen a

2084
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,600
craft

2085
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:47,760
low you know at a low level or in a

2086
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:51,199
field or you know come over the house or

2087
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:52,320
or you know

2088
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:54,080
i mean

2089
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:57,280
my mind just pales by comparison

2090
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,159
uh

2091
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,000
and and certainly i would love to see

2092
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:02,400
something like that but

2093
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:05,600
i've seen enough uh to know

2094
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,679
that they're real and

2095
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,000
to me the rest is just a matter of

2096
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,550
that we're not alone

2097
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:18,400
there you know are there more than one

2098
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,840
type out there

2099
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:21,679
i mean if there's one type there's more

2100
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:24,480
than one and are we being visited by

2101
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:29,910
and will they ever

2102
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:32,480
make themselves known to us

2103
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,189
maybe in the past they have made

2104
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,120
themselves known and that that that

2105
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,239
knowledge was lost uh certainly

2106
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:44,080
some of the uh

2107
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:45,120
the old

2108
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,920
uh

2109
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,480
art that's you know found from you know

2110
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:50,639
thousands of years ago makes you you

2111
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:52,719
wonder if if they they really didn't

2112
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,960
have some serious contact with these

2113
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,639
these folks yeah there was a question

2114
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,040
that came up on the message board

2115
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:01,040
someone wanted to know what is your

2116
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:03,199
thoughts on the ancient ancient alien

2117
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,520
theories

2118
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:07,360
probably so i mean if they're here if

2119
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:10,000
they you know did they just show up in

2120
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:14,320
uh 47 yeah for the first time uh i don't

2121
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:16,639
think so um well

2122
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:19,199
i mean there were sightings

2123
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:22,320
all around before that so when you go

2124
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,120
back

2125
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:25,280
you can find them so

2126
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:27,679
how long have they been coming

2127
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,719
probably a long long time yeah

2128
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:32,719
jacques valet and another author put

2129
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:34,159
together a book

2130
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:35,120
um

2131
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,080
fairly recently that is about

2132
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,719
ancient sightings which uh

2133
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,000
is i

2134
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:44,080
i would really like to read that that's

2135
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,520
a very fascinating to me and yeah if

2136
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,280
they're visiting now

2137
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:50,880
um they could have been visiting a

2138
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:55,510
uh

2139
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,159
they they absolutely could have and

2140
01:28:01,510 --> 01:28:00,400
who knows what what they look like i

2141
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:01,520
mean

2142
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:05,040
some of the uh the the pictures i saw um

2143
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,320
i don't know where uh ed ripple uh

2144
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:10,239
got him but uh

2145
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,239
there were some pretty scary

2146
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,280
pretty pretty scary critters uh

2147
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,360
that that he showed me pictures of and

2148
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,520
and i didn't ever want to meet him i can

2149
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,760
tell you that

2150
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:23,280
now when you were

2151
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:24,960
let's going back to that uh we have a

2152
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:26,719
lot of people that are just joining the

2153
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:29,520
show now and uh

2154
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:31,679
so going back to that

2155
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:34,560
this was a a notebook that you were

2156
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,760
shown

2157
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:37,199
and

2158
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,040
would you say pardon me would you say

2159
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,360
that there were a lot of pictures of

2160
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:43,040
so-called aliens and some of them were

2161
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:44,000
just

2162
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:46,960
uh abstracts from uh comic books and

2163
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:48,400
things like that

2164
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:51,199
uh yeah it was a real it was a real mix

2165
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:52,639
real mix

2166
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:53,600
um

2167
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,960
i mean you know it kind of looked like a

2168
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:58,560
creature from the black lagoon or

2169
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:01,199
something like that or lizard man and

2170
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:03,679
some looked more like insects and

2171
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,280
um

2172
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:07,679
and some just didn't didn't seem to make

2173
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:11,679
didn't look like anything uh but uh i do

2174
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,000
remember the the little guy

2175
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:15,840
uh gray fella

2176
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,760
on the on the table and and that that

2177
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,560
that that was a vivid image in in my

2178
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:24,400
mind and uh

2179
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:27,440
especially in 1956 i don't think i've

2180
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,600
ever seen that before yeah that wasn't

2181
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:30,960
really being shown

2182
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,600
you know not like the alien autopsy film

2183
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:35,040
that was a hoax

2184
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:36,719
or anything like that you know this is

2185
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,719
going back

2186
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:40,800
but what even though it was a hoax it

2187
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:43,199
was it was darn close to what what he

2188
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:44,639
had a picture of

2189
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:50,229
it was

2190
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:57,040
um but my whole family is is

2191
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:00,560
interested in in the subject matter uh

2192
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,320
both both my daughters and my son have

2193
01:30:08,550 --> 01:30:06,880
have you know seeing things in the sky

2194
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,560
that they thought were

2195
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:09,840
were

2196
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:15,910
you know we don't have any

2197
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:18,400
evidence or you know photographs or

2198
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:21,760
anything like that but

2199
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,320
they're they're very open to the idea

2200
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:26,239
and i think because we raised them to be

2201
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:30,080
open-minded and uh to to the possibility

2202
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:32,560
uh that that this is

2203
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:34,960
you know what we what we perceive to be

2204
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:36,880
uh reality uh

2205
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,520
may not be quite exactly what what we

2206
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:41,120
suppose it is

2207
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:42,400
so um

2208
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,960
they they have um

2209
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:45,840
been

2210
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:50,159
i've shared the story with them of

2211
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,360
course and

2212
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:53,520
that's that's how you know my daughter i

2213
01:30:57,189 --> 01:30:55,920
just got me to come out of the closet so

2214
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:57,199
to speak

2215
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:58,000
and

2216
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:00,560
be open about it how old was your

2217
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:02,480
daughter when you told her the one that

2218
01:31:06,390 --> 01:31:03,520
has

2219
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:06,400
interest in you know in in ufos and

2220
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,880
mufon and all that how old was she when

2221
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:11,440
you told her the story

2222
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,709
she was not in college yet so she must

2223
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:18,320
have been

2224
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:23,280
school

2225
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:24,320
when uh

2226
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:26,080
we went to the

2227
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:31,350
went to the um

2228
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:33,520
the christmas party uh that was held by

2229
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:35,040
mufon

2230
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:36,880
so she was one of she was the youngest

2231
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:39,600
person in the mufon group

2232
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:41,760
and uh

2233
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,840
really

2234
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,840
um that was that was very fortunate

2235
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:47,600
because i i don't know if i ever would

2236
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:50,320
have really uh opened up about it

2237
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:51,520
but uh

2238
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:54,159
meeting meeting the the other people and

2239
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:00,950
that were involved in it was

2240
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:03,840
really insightful uh and helpful to me

2241
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:04,639
to

2242
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:07,600
recognize what what had happened

2243
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:09,520
and it was not just a

2244
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:11,440
quirk of fate but

2245
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:13,679
and the subsequent

2246
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:16,800
research that i've done by being able to

2247
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:18,320
thank goodness again for the internet

2248
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:20,000
that i was able to

2249
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:22,639
recognize and identify the two officers

2250
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:24,159
who came to see me

2251
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:25,840
someone wanted to know earlier that a

2252
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:27,760
message up on the board

2253
01:32:33,110 --> 01:32:30,400
um wanted to ask you if you were a

2254
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:33,120
hundred percent sure that's who it was

2255
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:37,590
100

2256
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:39,840
wow yeah

2257
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:42,560
amazing um

2258
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,239
i would say

2259
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:48,149
as far as

2260
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:49,920
lieutenant olsen

2261
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:52,239
um

2262
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:54,080
the guy i saw the picture of is a

2263
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:55,679
deadbringer

2264
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:57,199
now

2265
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:58,960
there's only one picture of olson i

2266
01:33:04,390 --> 01:33:00,800
could ever find on

2267
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:04,400
anywhere so i don't have all that ropel

2268
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:06,960
has multiple pictures

2269
01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:09,920
at different stages of his career and

2270
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:13,120
and so when i say it was ed ruppeld

2271
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:16,000
ain't no doubt in my mind

2272
01:33:23,830 --> 01:33:20,070
it was him

2273
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:23,840
no question no question in my mind

2274
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,600
yeah yeah well you know this has been um

2275
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:29,120
really interesting we still have a

2276
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:30,880
little while to go here but

2277
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:32,960
i think uh one of the most uh

2278
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:35,120
interesting parts of your story is your

2279
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:36,719
father that uh

2280
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,480
um

2281
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:40,239
basically

2282
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:42,560
when he was threatened to never talk

2283
01:33:46,229 --> 01:33:43,520
about

2284
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:46,239
ufos i mean it must have really sparked

2285
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:48,400
your curiosity enough

2286
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:51,199
to want to you know get more information

2287
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:53,280
out of him

2288
01:33:58,950 --> 01:33:56,719
it did um but but he made it clear that

2289
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,960
uh that was a

2290
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:00,800
a closed area

2291
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:02,560
yeah and uh

2292
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:04,480
we weren't going to go there in in

2293
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:05,920
discussions

2294
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:07,920
um

2295
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:11,760
but he uh he was kind of a spooky guy

2296
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:13,440
and uh

2297
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:14,480
you know

2298
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:21,510
he he just never

2299
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:23,189
talked much about

2300
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:24,960
anything until

2301
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:31,590
and he never talked about

2302
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:35,360
what he did during the war um

2303
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:36,719
very much

2304
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,679
uh typical of of that generation the

2305
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:41,520
great generation oh yeah

2306
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:43,360
we're doing our jobs and

2307
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:45,040
that was it well they were they were

2308
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:48,400
doing more than just jobs

2309
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:50,560
these were

2310
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:52,000
remarkable

2311
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:54,000
people and

2312
01:34:58,629 --> 01:34:57,199
you know how he survived

2313
01:35:02,310 --> 01:34:58,639
you know

2314
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:02,320
two two plane crashes where amazing

2315
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:05,360
basically basically they were shot down

2316
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:10,070
he was um

2317
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:11,600
he was a real

2318
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:12,840
tough guy

2319
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:16,159
uh purple heart wounded i mean you know

2320
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:18,159
he said oh yeah we were all shot up it

2321
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:19,760
kind of like

2322
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,639
oh yeah we all got shot but uh you know

2323
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:24,960
took her we took our lumps but we didn't

2324
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,280
i never lost anybody

2325
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:29,760
and he was really really proud of of

2326
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:31,199
that he said everybody wanted to fly

2327
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:32,960
with him in fact

2328
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:36,800
in 12 o'clock high the movie um

2329
01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:39,040
there was an incident where i think they

2330
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:40,719
had the chaplain or somebody was

2331
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:47,510
to because they always wanted

2332
01:35:53,030 --> 01:35:50,159
to to see the the bombs drop

2333
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:53,040
and they they had a rough time or almost

2334
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:55,600
got shot down or whatever it was and

2335
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:57,440
that actually happened

2336
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:59,199
to my dad when

2337
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:00,719
they were

2338
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:04,400
on a bombing mission and

2339
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:05,520
they were

2340
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:08,480
shot up pretty bad by by measure between

2341
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:10,560
the flack and the mesher smiths

2342
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:12,880
uh he said they were down to two engines

2343
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,119
and and just limping

2344
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:17,840
and he he said he went on the pa and he

2345
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:20,000
said okay guys he says we got we got

2346
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:21,440
three choices

2347
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:22,400
one

2348
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:23,440
he says

2349
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:26,320
we can bail out now and uh be prisoners

2350
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:27,920
of war

2351
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,960
two

2352
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:30,480
we can uh

2353
01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:32,960
fly to the champ you know get to the the

2354
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:33,920
channel

2355
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:38,880
hope they'll pick us up or three

2356
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:41,280
we can just hold on for dear life and

2357
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:44,639
try to get back to to dry land and he

2358
01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:49,040
says it was unanimous uh loud vote get

2359
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:50,719
us back home

2360
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:52,880
they didn't want to jump out

2361
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,119
they didn't want to ditch they wanted to

2362
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:56,960
get back home well he said when they

2363
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,440
came across the coast of england

2364
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:00,960
actually i think he said they were up

2365
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,320
north uh in in scotland

2366
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,719
he said we were about a hundred feet

2367
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,480
above the tree line

2368
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:11,040
and he says no way were we getting back

2369
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:13,280
to base so he said i was going to have

2370
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:15,679
to put it down and he said you know it

2371
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:18,239
was a big old swampy area he said so i

2372
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:20,880
found i said looking you know he said

2373
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,199
i'm going to find me two big trees and

2374
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:25,679
so he went between two big trees so it

2375
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:28,239
would shear off the wings

2376
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,639
and the fuselage would just go

2377
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:31,920
go forward

2378
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:34,960
and and so uh he said just just as we

2379
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:36,719
came in i told everybody i said okay

2380
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:38,239
hold on and duck

2381
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:39,520
and he said we

2382
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:42,480
uh the the co-pilot the navigator now

2383
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:44,239
ducked and he says a good thing we did

2384
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:45,280
because

2385
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,800
the the water from the swamp blew the

2386
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,800
windshield over their heads it would

2387
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:52,880
have decapitated them had they been

2388
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,520
looking up and uh he said of course the

2389
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:58,080
whole the whole plane was filled with

2390
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,840
water and uh in mud and but it stopped

2391
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:03,920
he said pretty pretty quickly

2392
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,480
and they had uh i believe

2393
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,639
i never can remember it was 11 or 12 man

2394
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,320
crew but let's just say for the sake of

2395
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,800
arguments 11-man crew so he said they

2396
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,480
had a they had a drill that they had

2397
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:16,800
worked on if they ever had that happen

2398
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:19,280
everybody would get out and assemble

2399
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:20,800
about

2400
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:22,400
50 meters

2401
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:24,719
in front of the fuselage in front of the

2402
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,840
the nose

2403
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:28,080
so he said everybody kind of you know

2404
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,760
bailed out of course they had no no

2405
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:31,440
communications because everything was

2406
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:32,719
shot

2407
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:33,760
and so

2408
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:36,560
he said they all they all piled piled

2409
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:38,960
out and you know everybody seemed to be

2410
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:40,000
okay

2411
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:42,080
and he looked he looked at everybody and

2412
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:43,920
everybody was coated in mud he said it

2413
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:46,480
was like a minstrel show

2414
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,440
this is

2415
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:49,600
like you know we're all

2416
01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:50,719
dark

2417
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:52,880
and so he counted he said okay let's

2418
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:55,199
count one two three four five six again

2419
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:58,639
all the way 11 12. no that can't be

2420
01:39:01,270 --> 01:39:00,000
right so i'm going to count one more

2421
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,280
time

2422
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:03,360
yeah they had an extra one on board so

2423
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:06,800
he counted again in 11 12. so he

2424
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:09,600
pulls out his colt 45 and says don't

2425
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,320
anybody move we got a freaking saboteur

2426
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,560
on board

2427
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:17,520
this one guy said uh commander commander

2428
01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:21,040
gaines it's uh it's me uh so-and-so he

2429
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:22,320
says uh

2430
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:25,440
i the guy snuck me on and so

2431
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:27,520
he told him he said uh

2432
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:29,280
he said i always wanted to go on a

2433
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:30,719
mission because all i did was load the

2434
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,000
bombs and i wanted to see what happened

2435
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,960
jesus i promise he's just throw away

2436
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:39,600
lord marshall i i'll never do it again

2437
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,920
so my dad said okay

2438
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,400
don't ever do it and that scene

2439
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:46,080
something similar to that was in 12

2440
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:50,400
o'clock high that movie how about that

2441
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:51,440
going back

2442
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:53,199
all the way back uh

2443
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:54,719
we have a question up on the message

2444
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,639
board i think a pretty good one

2445
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:58,960
and we only have about five minutes left

2446
01:40:02,870 --> 01:39:59,920
here but

2447
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:02,880
going back to the videos that you were

2448
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:07,199
shown by the two air force officers

2449
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:08,880
can you describe

2450
01:40:13,109 --> 01:40:10,800
what they actually showed you you know

2451
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,119
some you said you've seen before

2452
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:15,440
but uh were there some like really

2453
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,159
interesting ones this goes back to 1956

2454
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,679
so there couldn't have been

2455
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:21,760
well actually there was quite a bit of

2456
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:22,960
filming in the

2457
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,760
52 and stuff like that but uh

2458
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:27,920
can you describe more of what you saw do

2459
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:29,440
you remember

2460
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:31,280
well these these were all

2461
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,000
films uh you know it was a film they

2462
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:37,199
showed me uh there was no video in those

2463
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,800
days well that's what it meant filmed

2464
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:40,239
yeah i know it was a projector and a

2465
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:43,199
screen you know projector and and it was

2466
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,280
a film of a film

2467
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:47,040
and and uh

2468
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:50,000
the film quality was not good i mean it

2469
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:51,199
was jerky

2470
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:53,360
and and you would you could see the

2471
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:56,320
objects you know moving around and

2472
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,480
and it was more more trying to find out

2473
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,880
is that is that similar to what you saw

2474
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:02,719
they were trying to get a visualization

2475
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:05,280
of what i saw

2476
01:41:10,149 --> 01:41:08,960
they never actually showed me anything

2477
01:41:12,390 --> 01:41:10,159
that was

2478
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,400
like what i saw i said well it's a light

2479
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:14,880
it's bright and

2480
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:15,840
you know

2481
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:17,840
some some of the shapes were were kind

2482
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:20,560
of a little bit oblong looking

2483
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:26,470
but i had i had seen

2484
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,040
i guess in the movie or something

2485
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:31,119
somewhere i had seen one of those films

2486
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:32,639
because i remember saying oh i've seen

2487
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:34,239
that before

2488
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:36,159
but that's not what i saw

2489
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:37,360
and

2490
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:39,920
i wish i could remember everything they

2491
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:42,000
they showed me but

2492
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:43,280
it was

2493
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:48,159
newsreel of you know one

2494
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,400
and one after another and and there was

2495
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:52,400
nothing in between

2496
01:41:55,629 --> 01:41:54,480
that i recall like okay this is los

2497
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:55,639
alamos

2498
01:42:01,669 --> 01:42:00,159
1948 this is topeka kansas 1950 or i

2499
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:01,679
mean there's nothing to say what it was

2500
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:02,800
it was just

2501
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:05,199
here's here's the raw data is what about

2502
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,880
this what about that

2503
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:09,199
well i'd love to see that reel today

2504
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:11,040
oh wouldn't i wouldn't i love to see the

2505
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:13,360
field notes and and everything that they

2506
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:15,040
had um

2507
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,199
they don't destroy that stuff

2508
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:19,920
we know that it's it's it's it's in a

2509
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:21,520
vault somewhere

2510
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:23,199
um

2511
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,080
where

2512
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:26,960
uh we we don't know

2513
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:28,080
yeah

2514
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:30,639
try i'm trying to find out where those

2515
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:34,000
records might be i understand that that

2516
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,320
captain ruppel's

2517
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:38,880
personal notes and records

2518
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:41,440
uh actually at one time and they may

2519
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:43,840
still be at the heineken center

2520
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,400
uh i've i've commun i've

2521
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,480
called them written to them and and i

2522
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,560
can't get an answer nobody ever answers

2523
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:52,560
the phone nobody ever

2524
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:59,189
i think there's a retired i can't

2525
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:00,800
remember his name offhand but there's a

2526
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,639
retired professor

2527
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:04,960
who has written a very exhaustive book

2528
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,760
uh on on the subject and probably has

2529
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:09,920
more information on ripple than anybody

2530
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,199
else but i've been unable to

2531
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:15,280
get in contact with him

2532
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:16,960
so if anybody you know out in the

2533
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:18,159
audience

2534
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:20,880
knows some of these uh guys that

2535
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:22,400
are prominent

2536
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,520
that could could help me

2537
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,159
find those notes i'd love to see

2538
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:30,239
i'd love to hear the the reel to reel

2539
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:31,520
i'd love to hear

2540
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,280
i'd like to hear my 12 year old voice

2541
01:43:36,629 --> 01:43:34,880
telling the story

2542
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:36,639
i'd like to see the i'd like to see

2543
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:39,119
those scrapbooks one more time and see

2544
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,560
how much is is real and how much is is

2545
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:44,480
what i may have imagined

2546
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,800
in 60 years since then right so if

2547
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:48,880
anyone's out there listening that can

2548
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:52,080
somehow get any of this access or

2549
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:54,080
stumble across it they can always get a

2550
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,000
hold of me and i can reach out to you so

2551
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:57,840
thank you so much

2552
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,920
for the show this evening

2553
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,440
it's a it's a pleasure i hope i didn't

2554
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:03,360
talk your ear off well that's what

2555
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,239
you're supposed to do

2556
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,159
well it was it was great being able to

2557
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,480
share and uh i'm sure i must have left

2558
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:12,080
something out along the way but i've

2559
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:13,920
tried to be as um

2560
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,239
as comprehensive as i could yeah it was

2561
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:19,119
great all right thanks a lot

2562
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:20,800
you're welcome martin and thank you for

2563
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:24,000
having me on take care bye

2564
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:26,480
all right so that's it for tonight thank

2565
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,560
you so much for watching and

2566
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,480
remember we'll be back next week with

2567
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:32,480
chris chris leto

2568
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:35,360
and remember also to keep your eyes to

2569
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:38,250
the sky